Skip to main content

tv   Piers Morgan Live  CNN  July 25, 2013 12:00am-1:01am PDT

12:00 am
has to modernize, it has to change. this baby is going to be so important, because it will be the future. this is "piers morgan live." i'm donnie in for piers. welcome to the viewers in the united states and around the world and welcome our studio audience. [ applause ] tonight the return of wean -- weiner gate. you heard what anthony wiener did. >> these things are in my past. >> these things are in my past and i think citizens understand that. >> you heard what he said. >> it's been rough. these are things i brought upon myself and i thought they would come out towards the end of the campaign and some of them have
12:01 am
and so look, i'm pressing forward. >> okay. now we want to know what you think. should anthony wiener get out of the race for mayor -- >> no. >> will new yorkers forgive and forget this latest scandal and should huma abedin stand by hermann. crisis management is something i've learned in my career and tonight i put together a panel of experts including star jones and scott stringer, who is in race himself against eliot spitzer. we want to hear from you. tweet us at piers morgan live. i want to start with the rebranding of the royals. tonight we learned the name of the newborn son of prince william and kate. he's prince george alexander louis of cambridge. joining me now is victoria. we saw royals 2.0 yesterday, drive themselves away, very accessible with the crowd, we understand there is no nanny at home, one housekeeper. are we seeing something in the
12:02 am
name that says this is new age of royals. >> we are seeing william put a stamp on how he intends to move forward. these are traditional family names but not all associated with familiar royals so that way he's giving his child his own identity. yes, there have been six previous king georges, charles' middle name is george. there are lots of george references but alexander, three kings of scotland named alexander and that's where kate and he met. william and his father charles, baton was charles's most beloved grand uncle assassinated in 1979, which was devastating. so to see louie included was a personal touch for charles. >> i was surprised that william and kate said we liked the name george, it had nothing to do with the queen's father.
12:03 am
i found that hard to believe. >> in a way george is quite cool and trendy again. when they look at the family tree, they don't buy a baby book. some are so old fashioned a poor child would be cruise fied in school. >> george is popular in britain -- is there anything that goes on where there are some type of informal protocol with the queen where ahead of time they run names by her, or is she finding out with anybody else? >> she went to the palace to meet her first grandson but i think william runs everything by her when it comes to the monarch key and how he does things and matters of state. he would have run the name by her. she's not a tyrant. she likes the family to make their decisions. she will say if she thinks you could handle something better. >> let me be skeptical, it's
12:04 am
clear and not genuine or authentic but they want to be more royals of the people, but am i to believe now there is no nanny there, that kate is getting up in the middle of the night? seriously? i mean, is that really possible? i'm not saying great, either way, but is that really happening? >> right now, certainly it is. they have to have a nanny at some stage with a full royal life going again but kate is from a normal family. her mother was waiting her for when she came home from school. they went to parents' house this weekend. so grandma middleton is probably helping out. anthony wiener's new scandal. "five rules for coping with crisis in business, politics and life" and white house special counsel to president clinton and purple solutions and star jones, attorney, national spokesperson and scott stringer, manhattan
12:05 am
burro president and candidate for comptroller. he's running against another former new york governor spitzer. i want to show hands from the audience, is there anybody that would vote for anthony wiener right now with what happened? not one hand. >> raise your hand. i'm just curious. >> of course. >> was there anybody planning for him voting three days ago? >> that's interesting. >> i want to start with you, scott. you're a part of the accomplishment of new york politics. you're running for comptroller against eliot spitzer, is there any chance weiner gets selected? >> i think it's problematic for both. while we turned this election into a two ring circus, the bottom line is when you go out and campaign and talk to voters, working people, middle class people want to know about affordable housing and education opportunities for kids. they want to know where you stand on issues and don't want
12:06 am
to be involved in personal drama of candidates. >> ironically, that's what weiner is saying it's not about me. he's using the talking points you're using but in reality it is about him. do you get kind of angry, you know, you're a serious politician. spitzer is heavy in the polls -- >> for now. >> for now, good answer. >> yet -- >> coming. >> but you got to watch him on jay leno and jimmy falon. this culture, awareness at any cost beats less awareness. that's got to piss you off. >> i got to tell you something, sure, does every kid want to go on leno? sure. the reality is what is happening is this can't become a comedy show. the issues in the city and big disconnect is going on leno does not make you a candidate people want to embrace. they want to know your education plan. what are you going to do for the city? >> i wish that was true but
12:07 am
unfortunately, the polls show awareness and equal votes, 6 million viewers and the name recognition. i wish that was true. >> you know what happens? the person with those liabilities start out ahead because of name recognition. at the end of the day, voters realize what is happening and vote for the candidate they believe will represent them. that candidate gets elected and the big story it's a big upset. when i'm in the bronx, queen, staten island and moving around brooklyn and manhattan, people want trust, integrity and leadership it's not just about me. the mayor's race, as well. we have problems and issues. >> i worked on clinton's campaign. if i was working on your campaign i would be putting a lot of effort into finding another prostitute -- not personally finding a prostitute -- >> [ applause ] >> that's it for tonight. we'll see you next time. this is just politics -- >> i'm bring in one as a consultant -- >> thank you. >> i will keep you -- i would
12:08 am
keep you on message until the week before and i would bring forward that next woman. would you have a problem with that? >> you know how i'm going to win? i really mean this. releasing policy position papers. sounds boring, right? we're bringing labor and people together to go out and knock on doors. we'll having a discussion because here is the difference, elliott's problem is he believes there is one set of rules for elliott and another for the rest of us. when i release five years of taxes and say look, i want to be comptroller, here is the money i make. he won't release taxes. it's a level playing field. i have to go out and get thousands of contributions. he won't go into the campaign finance even though he said he would. these are issues voters in new york care about. >> i'll get you to, star, in a second but i want to bring in a man that knows how the story came to light and he broke it thedirty.com and he is the founder nick richy joining us
12:09 am
now. nick, first of all, are you getting paid by ms. leathers? >> no, donnie, i'm not getting paid at all and i'm not even sure that's her real name. >> how does this work? let's hope not. how did this work? how did she get to you? what happened? give me the process of how this comes about? >> donnie, i have a popular main stream website called thedirty.com and it's all user generated content. people from around the world submit stuff to the website. i call these people the dirty army. it's millions of people like a cult following, and i've been doing this since 2008 with the dirty. and she came to me, she was a fan of the site, and she confided in me, and i told her to send me all the information, all the screen shots, because i personally didn't believe her at first. i really was duped by anthony wiener and thought he did
12:10 am
change, and obviously, that wasn't the case. and i just did my homework, and kind of matched up the evidence that she provided and ran with the story. >> we'll show some pictures as we keep talking, and these have been online for awhile. when you said she came to you, what was the first thing she said? did she call you up and say i want to release? what was the reason she came to you? >> she submitted a tip to the site. we have a submit post button where you can contact me and send me similar to like youtube, upload of images and e-mail and tip, and i went through it, and i actually asked for her phone number through e-mail, and contacted her, and we spent the weekend just connecting the dots and i drilled her. i basically said, you know, you got to convince me if you're going to convince america, and she came forward and i believed her and i said i'll put my neck on the line and put this on thedirty.com and the rest is history. >> one of her friends recently said it started out, she reached
12:11 am
outweigh sickly and said look, i'm a fan of yours, i love your politics and weiner himself turned it into the sexual back and forth. is that true? >> what happened was she actually e-mailed weiner in 2011 and it wasn't a nice e-mail. she pretty much bashed him for the whole original sex scandal, and weiner never responded, and he must have been feeling creepy one day in 2012 and looked at his facebook e-mail and saw that she sent this e-mail and he poked her on facebook, and she poked back, and, you know, the weiner decided he wanted -- >> all right -- >> and it got crazy. >> he -- is -- do you feel in your job and of usually, do you pause and say obviously he's a public official, she's got to stand behind what he did. but do you at any point say hey, this is going to change lives,
12:12 am
change elections, what is kind of the process you go through in your head, your own, because there is no filter? the problem -- not the problem but reality of the web today is there is no regulation and so much goes out there. as a member of the 300 million people of this country say to yourself before you put something out like this? >> donnie, i look at the internet and say privacy is gone. there is no such thing. to give people their voice is my goal. you know, you don't find platforms that give civilians and make them their own paparazzi where they can voice their own freedom of speech and have a large platform to get out to an audience, millions of people. that's what i try to provide for these people f. you look at social networks, if you're not a celebrity, you don't have a huge base. with the dirty, i want to provide that platform and it's
12:13 am
first amendment right. i want to get it out and that's what i try to do. >> nick, i appreciate your time. lannie and star, during this speech was interesting. supposedly a lot of women turned their backs as he spoke. let's go to that. >> and you have hundreds and hundreds of thousands of outstanding requests for work and that floor was supposed to be replaced eight years ago, that wall was supported to be replaced four years ago, i hate to say it, you would be in jail. >> you and i talked about a lot of things, scandals, and you have basic adultery. there seems to be a creepy factor that i don't think he can come back from. any chance? >> i don't see him coming back from it, and donnie, a lot of people, we're talking about whether or not he could win. i would like to ask the question whether or not he can pass the homeland security test.
12:14 am
i'm not sure that he could actually pass a security test on being the mayor of new york city. >> i want to get lanny in real quick. anything to do now to save this guy? he comes in your office, what do we do now? >> first of all, my disclosure is i know huma abedin very well. she's almost like a daughter to me. so although there is laughter and i understand the reasons people are reacting that way, there is also a lot of pain and tragedy going on here. so partly, what i would advice mr. weiner is if he believes that she should be mayor of new york, he knows that this is going to be very, very difficult for him and for huma, and apart from all the pain that he's going through with her, it was his choice to run for mayor, so he can't complain. but i do feel that what huma did yesterday and very, very profoundly and with a lot of
12:15 am
feeling describing what she's gone through to decide to stay with him and try to rebuild their marriage and their son in a family, was very moving to me. >> lanny, i actually disagree with you and i have spoken to a lot of women what have, whatever people chuckle, whatever they do, she's chosen she wants to be married to the mayor of new york and made adele lib rid decision and it's fair game at this time. nobody wants to see a family go through anything, but there was -- it felt to me, an opportunity with her and her stand that was not just standing by your man. that's just what i felt. >> donnie, in all fairness, i specifically said i don't blame people for their reaction, including the laughter, i think it's very understandable. i just wanted to remind people that these two are going through a lot of pain. if you didn't find yourself moved by huma's sympathy. >> stay with us. his wife is standing by her
12:16 am
man but can this marriage or career be saved? more about huma when we come back. so then the little tiny chipmunks go all the way up... ♪ [ female announcer ] when your swapportunity comes, take it. ♪ what? what? what? [ female announcer ] yoplait. it is so good. [ female announcer ] only aveeno daily moisturizing lotion has an active naturals oat formula that creates a moisture reserve so skin can replenish itself. aveeno® naturally beautiful results.
12:17 am
12:18 am
12:19 am
you know, i'm not sitting
12:20 am
here some little woman standing by my man. i'm sitting here because i love him, and i respect him, and i honor what he's been there and we've been through together. >> i love him, i forgive him, i believe in him and as we said from the beginning, we're moving forward. >> i'm donnie deutsch in for piers morgan. we're here to talk about it and lenny davis and star jones. star, as a woman when you're watching huma, was that feminine at the high point or low point? >> feminist movement, we give women the opportunity to choose what works for them. what works for huma and her marriage works for her. i respect her choice and her decision. i may not respect it in my life.
12:21 am
i represent women that would chop it off quite frankly. >> you get -- ben, you get the feeling that it's both. i felt this way with hilary in '92 and watching they want to chop it off, but they want -- but they want their place at the table, and they are business partners, and they are going to do what it takes. is that your take? >> there is no way anthony would be in this race if huma didn't sign on at the beginning and doing private stuff and she's a private person. it not totally clear to me that she knew -- all -- that she knew he was doing this until when? last fall, last winter, last spring, it's not clear when he stopped. >> last night. [ laughter ] [ applause ] >> lanny, i want to ask you, you said you're very close to huma and hilary called her a family member.
12:22 am
if that was your daughter out there, how would you be feeling and what would you be saying to her? because my daughter won't be out there. >> i'm a father with a daughter, and you may have the ability to tell your daughter whose in love and has deep emotions what she should or shouldn't do, i don't think i have that ability -- >> i stand corrected. >> nor would i exercise that ability because star has the exact word that occurs to me that i heard many women say about this type of situation, which is don't judge my relationship and my choices. i'm allowed to make choices that are right for me. if you doubt my sincerity, you're entitled. what huma abedin did, i know was authentic and star is right, if this is her choice, other women might make other choices and they might be angry with her for her choice but they should allow her the deep feeling behind her. >> mark, obviously, any woman could -- you're not buying it?
12:23 am
>> i respect her choice, too. i f someone says i know the cards on the table and i'm making a different decision, i have i have respect that. my spidy sense -- to use a technical term, is a political charade. when you look over the text, when i get over that together it sounds not real, she's in it for the ride this is about political careers and not about love or marriage. >> star -- [ applause ] >> there was -- there was a press conference yesterday. they asked we knew this was going on a year after this, how do voters, how does a -- how do women, we all can accept a mistake, how do people look past what is clearly not just a mistake but a sense of narcissim, how does anybody look past this? >> at this point, what we're dealing with is sort of the
12:24 am
person, because it's a sexual issue and the professional. the professional we all have the right to judge anthony weiner. we're citizens and electing a mayor. we have a right to say you show a lack of judgment and respect for your family and the institution of marriage. this is not someone i want to represent the city of new york. i am not going to allow you to stand up on a podium and look my kid in the face and be the representative for my kid. we have a right to feel that way. there's absolutely nothing wrong with saying huma, this is your choice but i don't want your man as my mayor. [ applause ] >> i want to go back to lanny. before you go, if i'm a betting man, i say there's a 99% chance hilary is running for office. if i'm advising hilary and we know the way she feels, how can she keep herself attached to huma. if she's in the line next to hilary, this will not go away
12:25 am
and hilly has a history of a deficit she walks away? >> look, i love hillary clinton as one of my best friends and this obviously is a painful experience for her, because i know she loves huma abedin as those of us who know huma do. whatever else is being said tonight and to your viewing audience and people who are reacting to what they are hearing, i can tell you that this is genuine. the gentleman that doubted huma's sincerity, i can respectfully tell you i disagree and what hillary clinton is feeling tonight and what every human being who knows huma abedin, i don't know the congressman well, is feeling is deep empathy and pain for what she's going through. >> all right. lanny, appreciate your time. when we come back, i want to know why you think powerful men do this kind of thing, and why women don't. [ applause ] >> we know why. we're cracking down on medicare fraud.
12:26 am
the healthcare law gives us powerful tools to fight it... to investigate it... ...prosecute it... and stop criminals. our senior medicare patrol volunteers... are teaching seniors across the country... ...to stop, spot, and report fraud. you can help. guard your medicare card. don't give out your card number over the phone. call to report any suspected fraud. we're cracking down on medicare fraud. let's make medicare stronger for all of us.
12:27 am
12:28 am
through ssave hundredsp train, on beautyrest and posturepedic. choose $300 in free gifts with tempur-pedic. even choose 48 months interest-free financing on the new tempur-choice. the triple choice sale ends sunday at sleep train.
12:29 am
i did not have sexual relations with that woman. >> the story is false. it's ridiculous. i've been in love with the same woman for 30 plus years. >> i have never sexually harassed anyone. >> you didn't send that photo to that woman in washington state? >> did not send it to that woman in washington state. >> but you're not 100% sure the photo is you? >> i'll say we're doing everything we can to answer that
12:30 am
question, but we're doing an investigation. >> guest host in for piers morgan and why men cheat. joining me gloria allred. a psychologist wrote there are five reasons powerful men cheat and applaud if you agree, one, because they can. [ applause ] >> two this is interesting, i only want the women to respond, power is a great sex drive for women? [ applause ] >> powerful men present a chris ma beyond the average man. [ applause ] >> they feel entitled. [ applause ] >> and they may have a stronger sex drive than the average. on that note i want to bring in gloria allred. you represent a woman claiming to be sexually harassed by a woman in san diego.
12:31 am
i spoke in the tiger woods issue, i think a lot of reasons in the case of tiger woods he walks into a restaurant and 20 women hand them cards come be with me. politics aren't like that and we're seeing predatory behavior but isn't a lot of it opportunity? >> well, i think that for a lot of men who are either celebrities because they are in the entertainment business or sports world or because they are well-known elected officials of politicians or hope to be politicians, they that cheat frankly often because they don't believe there won't be consequences that are serious and have the opportunity to do it and because frankly, they have not had to suffer serious consequences in the past.
12:32 am
but now, women are breaking their silence and coming forward like my client. irene jackson who is courageous and breaking the silence and opened the flood gates by her example by being willing to be identified, the first woman to be identified in reference to bob filner in san diego. we filed a lawsuit and now two other women have come forward. we don't know where that will end. we do commend her courage because she's broken the silence. >> star, you know a lot of very powerful men socially for years and years and years and interviewed them. we continue to be astounded when oh my god this guy did that, you're of course a lawyer, not a psychologist. is there any thread that you've seen in men over the years, powerful men beyond the sense of entitlement that causes this behavior. >> it's a mastermind mentality. when you saw a rock star walks
12:33 am
into a room and throw cards at them and other things at them also, politicians don't get that businessmen may not get that but their power is in their pocketbook. you and i have crossed swords many times, as i will say to you, when when you're a wealthy, powerful white man in the united states of america and you can pull out that black card, that is very powerful to a lot of women. and some women don't have the same core values as other women that integrity kicks in. >> that is new. look at a guy like anthony wiener. it's safe to say women weren't throwing themselves at him in high school or college or any other point. [ applause ] >> i'll tell you another very kind of sad thing out of this. these women come forward and monica lewinsky reached out to me and i was curious of meeting her and she was such a bright, charming, damaged, this is a girl that 99% of 22-year-olds in
12:34 am
her position would do the same thing. we know president clinton moved on and she can't get a job. gloria, the issue sometimes, the unfortunate issue sometimes for these women that come forward, they get 15 minutes, come forward and the parade leaves and their lives are ruined ironically and not the mens. >> i agree with that and represent one of the women that came forward in the anthony wiener scandal. we asked him to resign and he did and got help but apparently it wasn't effective. she didn't come looking for her 15 minutes of fame, i want to point out. her name was revealed, not because she revealed it, others in the press found out and then essentially they stampeded to her, and she had no privacy -- >> she was an adult -- >> she never sent sexting to
12:35 am
him. he sent sexting messages to her. >> and we'll get -- >> so let's not blame the women. he's the one who should absolutely have to take responsibility for what he did. >> i think it's complicated. you're not required to send your intimate private communications to people thedirty.com. >> i'm not blaming the women. i'm saying whether they are true victims, they end up more damaged. >> stay here, everybody. when we come back, let's talk about sex. i want to know what you think about sex addiction. çñ
12:36 am
12:37 am
12:38 am
12:39 am
i'm donnie deutsch. back with me, my panel and sex therapist chris donohue. chris, a lot of men would say bologna. it a convenient coverup when a guy gets in trouble because he can't control himself and that mellow men in one form or another are addicted to sex. so set me straight and give me the clinical diagnosis. >> we have someone with an issue of sexual compulsiveness. he's returning to a behavior creating negative consequences in his life. does he have an inability to stop doing it? i'm not really sold on that. that's not why we'll necessarily
12:40 am
call it a sex addiction. >> forget anthony wiener for a second. i think new yorkers will forget anthony wiener. i think in general, in general, i'm a believer in sex addiction. i think celebrities created to cover up the past because most men i know want as much sex as they can get. what is sex addiction? >> i'm going to agree with you, monogmy and marriage and the 21st century and technology and having sex as readily as it is, there is struggles with people maintaining boundaries of sexual assaulty. we're overdosing people as sex addicts. >> if you're at a restaurant and you can't get home and you're in
12:41 am
the bathroom, that's a sex addiction. that's what i'm saying, the problem is now it becomes, as you said, a cop out for anybody caught in a scandal. >> it's interesting. there is a new definition there, a new degree of sexual scandal now. it was not physical contact. there was new digital generation that will look like this with kinder eyes than we would? because they are growing up in the digital world and there is a lot more cavalierness than what happens in that world. >> i don't think anything that takes place on the internet is weird certainly and a lot traditional about this in the way of -- like a lot of
12:42 am
politicians are in the business because they want affection and love and attention and like bill clinton and figures. that translates into their lives in someways this is like a traditional scandal. >> that's the problem. we're looking at this in too traditional of a sense where what defines cheating and monogomy is -- >> donnie -- >> i just want to bring in -- >> guys, guys -- >> gloria, you're dealing with an issue with the mayor of san diego dealing with sexual harassment. we've seen so many men come back from various scandals. are we at a point, the country desensitized unless it's an underaged situation, rape, that pretty much now the american public is like infidelity, ah, sexting, ah. we see the way the world plays out, we see to be a bit more like we've seen it all before. >> there is a sense of
12:43 am
forgiveness. if people say they will get help and acknowledge and take responsibility for what they have done and if they do get help. however, there is focus on the men and not enough impact on the women they are hurting. in the case of mayor of san diego, we filed a lawsuit of sexual harassment. that hurt my client to her that she should come to work without her pan tees on and that he loves her, that he wants to marry her. he puts her in a head lock. he tries to kiss her -- >> there is nothing funny about that. >> this is harmful to a woman. >> there is a point where i think right now adultery, people go it's not right but you can move on. something different. we'll be right back, guys. don't go anywhere. i've got a nice long life ahead. big plans. so when i found out medicare doesn't pay all my medical expenses,
12:44 am
i looked at my options. then i got a medicare supplement insurance plan. [ male announcer ] if you're eligible for medicare, you may know it only covers about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. call now and find out about an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like all standardized medicare supplement plans, it helps pick up some of what medicare doesn't pay. and could save you thousands in out-of-pocket costs. to me, relationships matter. i've been with my doctor for 12 years. now i know i'll be able to stick with him. [ male announcer ] with these types of plans, you'll be able to visit any doctor or hospital that accepts medicare patients. plus, there are no networks, and you never need a referral to see a specialist. so don't wait. call now and request this free decision guide to help you better understand medicare... and which aarp medicare supplement plan
12:45 am
might be best for you. there's a wide range to choose from. we love to travel -- and there's so much more to see. so we found a plan that can travel with us. anywhere in the country. [ male announcer ] join the millions of people who have already enrolled in the only medicare supplement insurance plans endorsed by aarp, an organization serving the needs of people 50 and over for generations. remember, all medicare supplement insurance plans help cover what medicare doesn't pay. and could save you thousands a year in out-of-pocket costs. call now to request your free decision guide. and learn more about the kinds of plans that will be here for you now -- and down the road. i have a lifetime of experience. so i know how important that is.
12:46 am
12:47 am
all right. we're back. before we -- before we leave anthony wiener, very quick answer from both you guys, star, does he have any chance. >> arrogance will keep him new
12:48 am
be new yorkers won't elect him. >> people can forgive but there is a dishonesty. trayvon martin's father was on capitol hill today and issues facing men and black boys. listen what he said. >> i always say trayvon was my hero. he saved my life, and not to be there in his time of need, it's real troubling not to be able to save my son's life. >> trayvon martin's death sparked a heated debate from the white house to main street. joining me now martin family attorney ben crump. i want to ask this question to you and i want star and mark to join, three african americans, white guy. [ laughter ] >> nothing funny about that. i have three daughters and if they came home to me and said they fell in love with an african american man. i would say it's a harder choice but would be happy for them.
12:49 am
on the flip side if i was walking down the street and about to go in my house and i saw a 17-year-old black kid in a hoodie, i would pause. i would -- i'm just being honest. i would pause before i would go in. it's not because i -- it's just because what i'm used to would be out of context for me. am i racist? i'm being honest. and i think 90% of white people would say what i'm saying. ben? >> well, donnie, i think the question is whether you act on that. i do think that the president has started the conversation saying we have to talk about these things. we have to talk about profiling. it's one thing to think a certain we. we all have prejudices, but do you act on those? that's the problem. i think when we take about trayvon martin, many, many people believe that his killer profiled him and followed him
12:50 am
and if he would have profiled him, called the police, he had every right to do that. but once you act on that and confront a person, that is the issue we are facing. the issue has been >> i do think that the president has started the conversation saying we have to talk about these things. we have to talk about profiling. it's one thing to think a certain way. we all have prejudices. but do you act on those? and that's the problem. when we talk about trayvon martin, many, many people believe that his killer profiled him and followed him, and if he would have profiled him, called the police, he had every right to do that. but once you act on it, and you confront a person, that is the issue we are facing. the issue has been framed, can you profile and follow our children while they walk home and not do anything illegal? and that's the issue. >> star, you and i are friends and we've talked a lot about race and we have talked so openly about it. i want to go back to the point i made.
12:51 am
it's because it's out of context for me. i'm not used to seeing a young black man, because we are in still so many ways a segregated society, we got to start talking openly about this. we've got to figure out what we do about this. >> you would not be showing racism by just thinking it, but you would be showing is implicit bias. this is what this conversation has generated. implicit bias is when, because of what you've been programmed to think, when you see a young african-american man in a hoodie, or in some jeans, you immediately start to think this silly statistic that there are more black men in jail than there are in college. when that's absolutely not true. there are 400,000 more black men in college than there are in all the jails. but what i'm saying is, those kinds of things have been programmed into our head. you see far more african-american men portrayed as criminals on television.
12:52 am
why are they not portrayed as teachers? >> when you're doing an ad and showing criminals, you never show a black person as a criminal. it's actually the opposite sometimes. that's a form of racism, also. >> tv is supposed to be a departure of reality. so the robbers on tv can be white, because in real life, they're break. >> because the advertisers are worried they show a black man in an ad, they're stereotyping. >> i don't think you're a racist, but i think that assumption would be racist. >> it would be. >> but i guess i'm being honest about that. how do we -- >> the assumption is racist. so many white folk and plenty of black folk have the same kind of pause. >> if i see a white guy with a hoodie, i'm acting a certain way. because there's more of a chance -- >> there isn't more of a chance. we have to reconcile that disconnect between what we feel and what's rational. all my kids at columbia university walk through the
12:53 am
campus with hoodies on. ain't none of them robbing nobody. >> and we live on the upper east side. my nephew wears a hoodie and he's playing basketball right now. my nephew lives with me. so if he comes over and walks by your house to bring something down to you, you should be thinking oh, that could be star's nephew right there, instead that could be a criminal. >> i have to say this, i think we try to use the hoodies as this metaphor. but 35 years ago, there were not hoodies and they were still profiling african-american men. so we have to be real about it. >> i would love to know what you think about this. i'm hopeful. we've come a long way, but we have so long to go. what gives me hope is when i talk to kids. my 9-year-old daughter doesn't see a black person, she sees the president.
12:54 am
am i being naive to think that we're a generation away, but this next generation is approaching things very different? that's what i'm starting to see. >> i think you're right. each generation deals with race differently. but there are structural issues that don't go away, even with well intentioned white people. we still have different outcomes in education, mass incarceration. anything good, we're at the bottom. anything bad we're at the top of it. >> ben, before we go, how are trayvon's parents doing? one thing you don't recover from in life is losing a child. how are they doing? >> they're trying to take something painful and negative and turn it into a positive. sybrina fulton said something
12:55 am
that inspired me after the verdict. she said we will not let this verdict define trayvon martin. we will define the legacy of trayvon martin. >> star, last word. >> i just think that diversity around the table is what's going to move the conversation from talking to action. if you start to put people around the table who actually can bring different experiences to bear so that you can stand in the spot where i am, and you can feel what i feel because you know me in an intimate way, i think that conversation will then move to action. and then action becomes very powerful. we, as a community of people, can make this change. >> we need honesty, that's what we need. i want to thank everybody. we'll be right back.
12:56 am
12:57 am
12:58 am
12:59 am
that is it for tonight. i want to thank this fantastic studio audience. you were great. tomorrow, anthony bourdain.
1:00 am
will he eat a cronut? that is it for tonight. anderson cooper starts right now. eliot spitzer just spoke to reporters and late word on a train wreck. later, a congressman taking heat for controversial remarks claiming most children of undocumented workers are drug dealers. we'll see how he justifies his word. keeping them honest, the height of luxury, don't eat anything. the food star onlg conditions in this top of the line cruise ship is sickening. we begin with breaking news out of northwestern

33 Views

info Stream Only

Uploaded by TV Archive on